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by knolax 1789 days ago
> Tawana Vicenia Brawley

That casea didn't even pass the grand jury. Compared to Ronnie Long who got 44 Years when the races were reversed.

> 2. Tony Timpa

"Random events" is a funny way to say a consistent pattern of Whites police killing mostly nonwhites and White murderers and lynch mobs getting away with no consequences. Vincent Chin's death was racially motivated and the all white jury punish to convict his murderers. That is a race problem.

> Black women and men and American Indian and Alaska Native women and men are significantly more likely than white women and men to be killed by police. Latino men are also more likely to be killed by police than are white men. [0]

[0] https://www.pnas.org/content/116/34/16793

[1] https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/28/us/ronnie-long-nc-wrongful-co...

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None of your claims represent the full truth as "X race are more likely to be killed by police" means nothing if they are more likely to be armed.

These are also sourced from WaPo - as left leaning as they come. WaPo has logged all fatal police shootings since 2015 in this database:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2019/national/police...

Despite their headline, the data tells you a different story. In 2019 there were a total of 999 killings. 858 shootings in which the race was noted. 405 killed were white, 249 were black. Blacks were significantly more likely to have a deadly weapon than a white suspect. Yet more white suspects were killed. There were ONLY 12 cases where the blacks were unarmed - 11 men and 1 women. 7 of these cases - the suspect attacked the cop with eyewitness or camera footage corroboration confirming it. Out of the rest - 1 was an apparent accident. 2 cases - the cop was charged. The others were ongoing investigation when I researched this last year. So simply saying "X race are more likely to be killed by police" doesn't mean anything when vast majority of them were armed or attacked the cop visible on camera and witnesses. These are hard facts which media, especially CNN, won't tell you.

Here's more.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/investigations/polic...

For 2019:

12 unarmed blacks were shot and killed.

26 unarmed whites were shot and killed.

11 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed.

For 2020:

18 unarmed blacks were shot and killed.

26 unarmed whites were shot and killed.

10 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed.

For 2021:

4 unarmed blacks were shot and killed.

6 unarmed whites were shot and killed.

2 unarmed hispanics were shot and killed.

These numbers don't align with the narrative of "innocent blacks are significantly more likely to be killed than white".

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

So despite being 13% population, in 2016 blacks committed 53% of murders, 54% robberies, 43% weapons offences, 38% of all violent crimes. Should the demographic committing 53% of murders not get expected to get shot? Should cops simply not shoot and get shot instead when the other person is armed or attacks them? Should Jacob Blake or Ricardo Munoz have not been shot when both were about to attack the cops with a knife?

This isn't even about racism/bias in the data as shown here that whites are arrested 71.0% for "Drug abuse violations" vs 26.7% for blacks, whites commit more rapes at 67.6% vs 29.1% for blacks:

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-...

If this was about numbers lying because of some bias, why won't they also lie about whites commiting significantly more rapes and drugs? Obviously murder is a much worse crime than rape or drug and therefore more shootings for that demographic.

Also if we look at a diverse city like Philadelphia - residents are 44.1 percent black, 35.8 percent white, 13.6 percent Latino and 7.2 percent Asian.

Hispanics and then black officers are more likely to shoot an unarmed black suspect as compared to a white officer.

Stats for unarmed blacks shot by cops:

https://www.phillypolice.com/assets/directives/cops-w0753-pu...

Page 32

Definition of OIS (Officer involved shooting) is on page 17

Definition of TPFs (threat perception failures) is on page 30

TPF of white officer against black suspect is 6.8

TPF of black officer against black suspect is 11.4

TPF of hispanic officer against black suspect is 16.7

Aka Hispanics and then black officers are more likely to shoot an unarmed black suspect. The claim that white officers are more likely to kill black suspects because of racism is complete nonsense. White cops are the least likely to kill unarmed blacks. (Stats for asian cops isn't available as it's negligible.)

As I have stated before, this is not about race - I am simply stating them because that's usually what talking points care about. We can complain about police brutality all we want but until we fix the root cause of the problem, nothing will change.

Blacks realize this and that's why eighty-one percent (81%) of black Americans and eight-three percent (83%) of Hispanic Americans want either the police presence to remain the same (a majority) or to be increased (opposite of what their often white "liberal saviors" want):

https://news.gallup.com/poll/316571/black-americans-police-r...

One more thing - to get rid of bad cops - we should be doing exact opposite of what current policies encourage. Aka we should maybe look at removing police unions which are the reason bad cops stay protected. Same with teachers unions which let bad teachers stay around.

My main point was about Vincent Chin and yet a passing mention of Chauvin has triggered some culture war rant about police violence, completely missing the point. You're moving the goalposts by including statistics on all police shootings justified or not instead of examining actually egregious cases where the shooting clearly wasn't justified.

> Blacks were significantly more likely to have a deadly weapon than a white suspect. Yet more white suspects were killed.

More white suspects were killed because there's more than 4 times as many whites. Ang again the data is on all shootings and not just cases of unjustified shootings. The data on whether or not the people they shoot is self reported, and if you watch any of the bodycam footage you can clearly see that many of these "armed" suspects weren't armed at all and had dropped their guns and had their hands up when they were shot[0][1].

Even if you bring up that the predominantly white police also happen to kill white civilians it doesn't change the fact that they're still getting away with murder unless rioting happens. White police getting away with murdering whire civilians is still wrong.

> So despite being 13% population, in 2016 blacks committed 53% of murders, 54% robberies, 43% weapons offences, 38% of all violent crimes.

38% of all violent crimes that were caught. They're caught more because they're more heavily policed. I've worked in security before. 90% of the time if a guy pulls out a knife or gets violent he's white. And this was a city with a relatively low white population too. And no, showing that the data also shows whites committing more crimes in other areas does not mean it isn't biased. You're assuming that the data is biased because of intentional malice when it's sampling error. Whether or not violent crime is caught depends on how heavily a specific community is physically patrolled but crimes like sex assault and drug don't.

Citing self reported "threat perception failures" from the police of one specific city doesn't reliably say anything about who's shooting who. Are black police more likely to shoot unarmed blacks or are they just less likely to lie about the suspect being armed?

> white "liberal saviors"

I'm not white and I'm not a "liberal". Hispanic and Black people wanting more police is completely irrelevant to me. You also cherry-picked your data when in your own source it shows a higher percentage of Hispanic and Black people wanting fewer police than whites.

None of this tangent about police violence will change the fact that Vincent Chin's murderer is alive and was not given any jail time by a white jury. Two white men commited a hate based murder and are walking free to this day.

[0] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6BBA5EAqoxo

[1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Philando_Castile