[himinlomax]

I don't want to be forced to be around potentially infectious people. The vaccine, like all others, is not 100% effective. Unvaccinated people pose an avoidable risk to my health. I don't want them around me. I don't want to be forced to be around them. Unvaccinated people have made a choice to risk their lives, they don't get the choice to risk mine.

[penultimatebro]

Then you’ll be opting to stay home? If everyone in the office is vaccinated you’ll be around only potentially infectious people.

>Unvaccinated people have made a choice to risk their lives, they don’t get the choice to risk mine.

Doesn’t the vaccine cover for this? You get the vaccine and it reduces your symptoms, making you less likely to end up hospitalized or die. Even vaccinated you can still get infected, get sick from and spread the virus.

[himinlomax]

I said *avoidable* risk. Avoidable is the key. Driving a car has risks, that doesn't excuse idiots driving drunk or racing into my vehicle. Unvaccinated people are literally like drunks. They can be drunk at home, they don't get to be drunk while on the road, and I shouldn't have to stay home so that they can drive dangerously.

> Doesn’t the vaccine cover for this? You get the vaccine and it reduces your symptom

I don't want reduced symptoms, I just don't want your germs. And I wear seat belt or helmet but that doesn't give you a pass to booze up your commute, even though it would reduce the symptoms of rear ending me.

[A_non_e-moose]

> Unvaccinated people are literally like drunks.

I was not aware motor and speech discoordination were symptoms of covid.

Perhaps we as a society should find a new word that means what literally used to mean a few years ago.

[penultimatebro]

What you said was you don’t want to be forced to be around potentially infectious people. So anyone who’s been fully vaccinated and unvaccinated people who are currently infected. The only people to my knowledge who don’t spread are unvaccinated who have been previously infected. Robust natural immunity can be had from previous infection or cross reactive immunity from a previous coronavirus strain.

Back to your last point. If you don’t want germs, I’m not sure an office environment is for you. A 100% vaccinated office will still be susceptible to spreading COVID, especially if the Delta variant takes off like it did in the UK and Israel.

[forcry]

> Unvaccinated people are literally like drunks.

There are a number of assumptions underlying this perception. And under each of these assumptions, there is some information that you base on trust on some entities.

And if you vary this trust, the perception changes drastically. So you cannot change things like this objectively.

But with these kinds of mandates, it effectively impose your trust, onto others.

I don't think that is ethical.

Also, going by your reason, every other human being on this planet is a potential source of risk for you. Does that mean everyone should drop dead to make you feel safe. Sure I know you mention this "avoidable" thing.

But don't you see that for a person who is concerned about the vaccines, vaccines are this "avoidable" thing?