[meiraleal]

And you think the blame is on the ones denying "climate change"? Not the industry/farm owners and the consumerism of most people on earth? Why on earth a family has 2 cars? A person has 50 t-shirts? Many cellphones, tablets and gadgets that get replaced every 1 to 2 years?

[jfengel]

Yeah. Because it's hard to deal with that at an individual level. Most people don't want to be the ones giving things up while other people ignore it. They may want to choose public transport instead of a car, but that's hard without a massive investment, which doesn't happen when a lot of people portray that as unnecessary.

One straightforward route to fixing all of that consumerism is a carbon tax. People will consume less when it costs more. But no carbon tax will be passed, because of denialists.

You can reduce your own consumption, and a lot of people do. But that's not sufficient, and it gets less sufficient every day. The longer we took to act, the bigger changes were required to deal with it. And it was the denialists that prevented action.

Industry played a big part in convincing them, but they made the individual choices to believe corporate shills over scientists. So yes, I blame them.

[meiraleal]

there is no "denialist" preventing acts, only rich people lobbying to be able to produce and sell as much garbage as the people can consume. denialists or not.