[asciilifeform]

> He never seems to acknowledge that technologies like virtualization actually work to create independent environments.

This is because they don't.

Environments can be independent in the information-security sense (what you and others confuse with full conceptual independence) without being independent in the propagation-of-brokenness sense. Easy example: your power supply.

Give me, say, a Common Lisp (rather low bar!) environment which is entirely uninfluenced by the brokenness of x86. [1] Then we'll talk about independence of layers.

When the last idiot talking about static languages being "inherently efficient" has vanished, then we'll talk about independence of layers.

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[1] For instance: the fact that you need threads at all. On a dataflow architecture, threads and their attendant idiocies - locking, race conditions, etc. are forgotten like a bad dream.

[MrJagil]

Stop calling people idiots.

[asciilifeform]

Stop telling people to stop calling idiots idiots.