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by nemesis1637 1786 days ago
I'm not sure I follow your logic. Every high school in the United States (and the rest of the Western world) teaches the history of WWII, with undoubtedly millions of both Jewish and students with German heritage and I don't think they're pitted against one another in the end.

Further, "there are better ways we can go about talking about race and culture, and having respect for one another, without making it about the oppressed and the oppressor." - How so? Why do we need to teach students to have respect for one another if not for a long history, and complex present, of one group of people oppressing another? If there was no historical and current oppression, the entire conversation wouldn't be necessary in the first place.
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underseacables 1786 days ago
For starters, not making children feel like they are oppressors or the oppressed. Teach civility, respect of each other, and respect for one another’s opinions and beliefs. Don’t start off by saying this side of the classroom are the oppressors because of their skin color, and this side of the classroom are the oppressed because of their skin color. Your skin color does not make you an oppressor or the oppressed, but CRT does.
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paulddraper 1786 days ago
No one takes issue with teaching about the Holocaust or slavery in North America.

To cite Wikipedia: "the basic tenets of CRT include that racism and disparate racial outcomes are the result of complex, changing and often subtle social and institutional dynamics rather than explicit and intentional prejudices on the part of individuals."

This syllogism is the controversial matter of CRT:

1. Anything which has racially disparate outcomes is racist.

2. Modern society has racially disparate outcomes.

3. Therefore, modern society is racist.

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zug_zug 1786 days ago
Yeah this is a good starting point. Now one can debate these statements individually, and whether they should be taught in schools. For example, does point 1 mean the NBA is racist against (against white people) or Harvard is racist against non-asians?

This is just to illustrate the necessity of defining terms to finding common ground.

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paulddraper 1786 days ago
> Harvard is racist against non-asians

Ironically, by the classical definition, the reverse is true.

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david38 1786 days ago
Except nobody is making the 12 year old German students get up in front of the class and admit they are oppressors simply by virtue of their race.

Oh wait, race doesn’t really exist, except when we want to insult white people.

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