[markn951]

They're not automatically turning on if you're "turning them off" from Control Center. Those buttons just temporarily disable them (and state that clearly when you do so). The only way to actually turn off Wifi and Bluetooth is to go into Settings and turn them off there.

[MAGZine]

"Clearly" it's not as clear as you think it is.

On android, if I turn bluetooth off from the quick access menu, it stays off--which is what I expect.

[marcellus23]

Can't get much clearer than text that says "Disconnecting nearby wi-fi networks until tomorrow."

[bkallus]

But that same button used to be a permananent toggle, and now there is no way to restore the (better) old behavior. Another instance of Apple thinking they know better than their users.

[marcellus23]

You are not everyone. Just because you think it's better doesn't mean it actually is. Most of the time when I want to disconnect from Wifi, it's a temporary measure because the network I'm connected to is slow or dead. I imagine it's the same for many others.

Apple is notoriously allergic to putting toggles for every little thing, and that shouldn't be a surprise to software developers. We all know every user-configurable setting increases complexity.

[howaboutnope]

> We all know every user-configurable setting increases complexity.

They can also mean the difference between a tool and a toy or even worse, a slave collar.

One of the good practices in programming is to not hardcode things. Where that is followed, often the hardest part about configurability is the UI for it, since under the hood it's already determined by a bunch of variables anyway, and it's mostly a matter of exposing them nicely to the user.

Besides, it's way more complex to have a timed toggle than just a toggle.

[marcellus23]

> a slave collar

for real? because you have to go into the Settings app to turn off wifi permanently? Sometimes you people are delusional.

[mixmastamyk]

If you want to have a disconnect button, add as another button choice to the panel. Even make it default. But the original button shouldn't have been broken with no recourse.

Not to mention, some brief wordy nearby text display in tiny print after the fact, is the opposite of clear.

[oauea]

Does it say that text on the button before you press it? Do you have a screenshot?

[asix66]

It does indeed say, clearly, "Disconnecting Nearby Wi-Fi Until Tomorrow" [0]

[0] https://ibb.co/kJ59LCN

[mixmastamyk]

That's afterward.

[deelowe]

https://imgur.com/a/zk382Wl

[marcellus23]

Does it matter if it's before or after? It's not a destructive action.

[unethical_ban]

It's different than Android, and different from itself pre-iOS13. It is a new behavior that cannot be toggled.

[J253]

This is one of the nice things about shortcuts. I created a shortcut that will turn off wifi and Bluetooth. You can then add an icon to your home screen to run the shortcut and boom. Both are actually turned off…not just disabled for 24 hours. I also have a shortcut to turn them back on when I need them.

[mixmastamyk]

Also the BT is often turned on after an update. I know this because I’ve never ever used it, therefore never had it on purposely.

[cygned]

They do that in order to allow accessibility devices to connect for disabled users, I’ve been told.