[wassenaar10]

No real response but oversimplification/staw-manning will do just fine, huh?

Are you trying to say that the situation in Europe is just "business as usual" or something?

Now I don't know if you've been paying attention these last few years, but in case you're not aware European countries have taken in a pretty unprecedented number of migrants over the last decade. Many of those migrants were/are young men from regions with cultural norms that are fundamentally different from the European countries that they end up in. In addition, many of these migrants lack strong proficiency in the standard language of the host country, and do not possess a level of education that would generally be commensurate with their age in the host country. Note that none of this is meant as a value judgement, it's just the reality of the situation. It's not an easy situation for the migrant or for the administration of the countries taking them in. It's not really any secret that integration/assimilation has failed in many parts of Europe, and this all has consequences.

With regards to gun violence, I don't know about Europe in General but Sweden's rate of gun homicides has risen consistently every year over the last decade. Obviously the numbers are nothing compared to what you'd see in the United States, but if the problem is getting worse, then it's probably worth talking about. Also, for a highly-developed Western country, Sweden experiences a large number of hand-grenade attacks every year in a pattern that also seems to be increasing.

But the main cause of violence tends to be organized crime, and as seen by the murder of Peter R De Vries earlier this year, a lot of European police agencies are simply not cut out to deal with organized crime in their current state.

[908B64B197]

> Many of those migrants were/are young men from regions with cultural norms that are fundamentally different from the European countries that they end up in.

What's interesting is that a lot of them should not even be eligible for asylum, yet they were still allowed in. Does Sweden has a plan to deal with this wave of illegal immigration?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3422000/Just-old-th...

https://www.rt.com/news/316570-eu-false-syrian-refugees/

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/the-mystery-surr...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2015/11/21...

[ub99]

Net migration rate in France [1] (as an example of a Western European country with a substantial migration over many decades) and Sweden [2] did not increase in any unprecedented way in resent years. In Sweden it's actually declining. There was a lot of migration in Europe over the years, so arrogantly claiming that Europe is "discovering" something is not worth a serious response.

[1] https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/FRA/france/net-migrati... [2] https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/SWE/sweden/net-migrati...

[JumpCrisscross]

> net migration rate in France…and Sweden did not increase in any unprecedented way in resent years

Oh come on, the migration into Sweden in the 80s was educationally, financially and culturally distinct from that of recent years. That’s the big experiment Europe is engaged in. Is there something about European culture and institutions that can assimilate migrants? (America is quite good at this.) Or is the success not extensible.

[devdas]

The groups participating in organised crime generally aren't the immigrants though.

A major cultural shift needed in Europe is acceptance, not tolerance.

[emptysongglass]

This isn't true. In Denmark, just south of Sweden, organized crime by migrant gangs has far overtaken the native biker gangs in part because the tolerance of the migrant gangs for extreme violence, including of civilians, is much higher. Just as an example, bikers would never use civilians to send a message but this was a tactic employed by "Blågårds Plads" when they went in and started shooting civilians in Christiana. We've also seen a huge spike in rape cases attributable to migrants.

If you look over my post history, I'm resolutely against the new racist politics of our parties but your messaging is wrong on its face. I don't turn the numbers into fuel for further racism, however, unlike my fellow Danes. I blame the government for not having a plan to absorb the migrants they refuge. The Danish state creates the ghettos (which fuels the violence) by concentrating migrants in single neighborhoods. What should be happening is homing migrants evenly over the whole of cities and commiting to educating those people they take in.

But no, I don't think acceptance or tolerance of these egregiously violent actions is the right move. This is a country where women feel safe enough to walk alone at night at 3 am. And that's worth fighting for.

[type0]

Being of migrant descent isn't the same as being a migrant, not everyone fails to integrate in the society but this is urgently raising problem so far with no solution in sight.