[londev]

I’ve only managed to get more advanced treatment in the UK (still nothing ground breaking) by having private medical cover in addition to the national health care. Thankfully as the national health service covers all the basic care it’s possible to get private cover for around £40 per month.

[nightfly]

That sounds _really_ good, and kind of blows a big hole in a lot of arguments against universal health care. I pay more than that monthly for relatively basic medication and that's _with_ pretty good employer-funded insurance

[vidarh]

It gets better/worse. NHS provides universal cover for a lower per capita cost than Medicare/Medicaid covers the portion of the US population it covers.

[opinion-is-bad]

Isn’t that a bit unfair of a comparison, since Medicare disproportionately covers the elderly who have higher medical costs, while the NHS serves the whole population?

[Synaesthesia]

It's just cheaper by a whole lot, like 2x and that's taking everything into account. The US is way off the scale in medical expenditure.

For example the NHS negotiates drug prices on a national basis, meaning people in the UK pay way less for medicines than in the USA.

[vidarh]

I think you misunderstand me.

The cost of Medicare + Medicaid divided by the number of people in the US - not the number of people covered by those services, has tended to be higher than the cost of the NHS divided by the number of people in the UK.

EDIT:

According to CMS[1], Medicare cost $799bn in 2019, and Medicaid cost $613bn in 2019. The Census bureau gave 328 million people in 2019 [3], or ~$4300 per person for Medicare and Medicaid whether or not they are covered.

According to Kings[2], the NHS cost 150bn pounds in 2019, or ~$208bn (I've not taking into account exchange rate changes). ONS gives mid-year estimate of 66.8m for the UK in 2019 [4].

Which gives $3113 for NHS per person, all of whom are covered.

The point is that if Medicare and Medicaid were allowed to work in the same kind of regulatory environment as the NHS (e.g. Medicare is legally prevented from negotiating best prices for some categories of cover), and was equally efficient, then you ought to be able to take the same budget and extend Medicare cover to every citizen of the US without paying more.

In fact, you'd have 33% more per resident to cover e.g. salary gaps without touching the Medicare/Medicaid budgets.

Americans are effectively paying twice, as money paid in private insurance is at least the same amount over again. It's bizarre to me there are no riots in the streets over this - current US healthcare regulation is corporate welfare to insurers and healthcare providers at the cost of regular people.

[1] https://www.cms.gov/Research-Statistics-Data-and-Systems/Sta...

[2] https://www.kingsfund.org.uk/projects/nhs-in-a-nutshell/nhs-...

[3] https://www.census.gov/newsroom/press-releases/2019/popest-n...

[4] https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/populati...