[tryingtogetback]

Dangerously ill-informed comment. Have you ever been to a hospital in a country that embraced socialism? In some countries you pay effectively zero for socialized healthcare. What an awesome, marketable for votes delusion.

Guess what. You get exactly what you paid for. Chronic mismanagement, apathy, deteriorating conditions, lack of resources. Need to schedule a procedure? Get into a virtual line 10000 persons long. "Oh you are in pain? I'm sorry. Thermometers are the only medication we can offer". In CIS countries, the only way to get something done is to bribe an official (to move you up the line by a 100 or so) or a private clinic (but socialism is so great! right?) If a country with socialized healthcare manages float it's healthcare services on an "average" (aka meh) level, it's only because of the private donors, private insurances, private donations, and financial aid and subsidies from US (but capitalism is so awful, right??)

Grass is always greener aka you have no idea what you are talking about

[majormajor]

I have - I had an emergency procedure done within hours, without noticing particular mismanagement, apathy, deteriorating conditions, or lack of resources.

It was annoying that they didn't want to give out narcotic painkillers, but given addiction rates here, understandable. Not a question of resources, just a different approach.

Of course, as a foreigner who was going to have to pay cash, I can't be positive that the experience would be the same for citizens on Taiwan's national plan, but the people I was staying with said I was being treated the same as they'd seen anyone else...

[parrellel]

I don't think the countries of the ex-USSR are what anyone is talking about when they're talking about socialized medicine.

[908B64B197]

> or a private clinic (but socialism is so great! right?)

Having to pay out of pocket after paying 50%+ tax rate! Incredible!