[fsflover]

> It's just like the OP said there is poor support.

It's impossible to have good support for every available software. My Purism laptop works without issues for years. No crashes, no problems with WiFi or suspend. Just buy preinstalled Linux, like I did.

[deltaonefour]

> Just buy preinstalled Linux, like I did.

That's why linux is inferior. For windows I don't need to buy preinstalled. I can buy whatever I want.

>It's impossible to have good support for every available software.

Except windows pretty much does this. Yeah there's shady business tactics involved but at the end of the day users just want something that works. Linux fails at doing this. So I don't know why you're advising me to buy preinstalled. I can do that, but it just means Linux is FORCING me to do that because it is an inferior OS from a usability standpoint.

Buying preinstalled solves my problem but it only invalidates your point while validating my point.

[fsflover]

> For windows I don't need to buy preinstalled. I can buy whatever I want.

It just means that the manufacturer received Windows certification. Similar thing exists for Linux.

> Except windows pretty much does this.

Did you just compare the Linux community with a trillion-dollar company?

[deltaonefour]

>It just means that the manufacturer received Windows certification. Similar thing exists for Linux.

I don't need certification. I can custom build a computer and pretty much not ever be worried about incompatibility with windows. Such certifications aren't really things a regular user needs to think about for windows.

>Did you just compare the Linux community with a trillion-dollar company?

I'm comparing Linux to Windows. And I'm saying Linux is inferior from a usability standpoint. So yes I am saying the Linux community built an OS ecosystem that is INFERIOR in terms of usability to an OS ecosystem built by Microsoft. That is a Fact.

[fsflover]

> I don't need certification.

It does not matter what you need. The fact is, 99% of computers (and of course their hardware) receive Windows certification, because it's the monopoly that everyone uses. There is practically no way to change that.

> I can custom build a computer and pretty much not ever be worried about incompatibility with windows.

See above why.

I wish Linux computers were sold in retail shops. I have no idea why they aren't.

[deltaonefour]

>There is practically no way to change that.

This is irrelevant. The morality and ethics behind why something is the way it is doesn't matter. Users including me only want something that works. What I need matters because it's statistically representative about what most users need and therefore representative of what classifies as usability according to most users.

Linux is inferior from a usability perspective, and that is literally my only point. This point is factually true. The politics behind operating systems involve ideological battles that really only very few people care about.

If what you say is true and that this usability issue can't practically be changed then linux will always be doomed to be less usable than windows. This is the consequence formed from your logic.

[fsflover]

> Users including me only want something that works.

In this case I see no reason not to buy preinstalled Linux. Typically, they buy preinstalled Windows, so I do not see any large difference here.

> Linux is inferior from a usability perspective

No, it isn't. Proprietary apps on Linux may be.

> If what you say is true and that this usability issue can't practically be changed then linux will always be doomed to be less usable than windows.

Yes, although this has been slowly changing for years. One can hope that it's not forever.