[wpietri]

I partly agree, but it's also sad that we need to add to the bureaucracy just to insist that professionals act professionally. As you point out, most companies are doing fine. But it wasn't just Tesla playing fast and loose; as far as I'm concerned Uber execs should be doing time for negligent homicide: https://www.npr.org/2019/11/07/777438412/feds-say-self-drivi...

[HWR_14]

> it's also sad that we need to add to the bureaucracy just to insist that professionals act professionally

That's how bureaucracy and laws form. Individuals (people or companies) do X. The rest of society doesn't like it. They outlaw or regulate it. That's why the rivers no longer catch on fire in the US.

[wpietri]

Sure, but I'll note the other companies are self-regulating on this. Regulation tends to slow progress, so what I'd rather see is what places like Waymo are doing: acting like responsible adults so regulation isn't forced upon the whole industry prematurely.

[studentrob]

Tesla is the big fish here. If Uber has one instance, then given the size of their program, Tesla may have hundreds.

[AKSucks]

Thing is, it wasn't just one incident, it was just one incident that resulted in a death.

When Ubers started self-driving it took just a few hours before there were videos on twitter and youtube of them driving right though red lights without a care in the world.

[studentrob]

Uber: 1 death and halted the program

Tesla: many deaths, no halt, no improvement in the program. See: phantom braking

[wpietri]

Let's not give them too much credit here. I think Uber's halt had more to do with Uber's change in CEO and the indictment of the guy who ran their self-driving car program. Plus the fact that it was a giant money sink with no short-term return being run in a company that has never been profitable and can no longer raise infinite investor money.

[studentrob]

I don't think it matters whether or not you think Uber was acting responsibly or reflexively. The point is their program is done while Tesla's, which has seen far more fatalities, continues unabated.

[wpietri]

It may not matter to you, but it definitely matters to me and to my point about professionals acting professionally. Uber is not a good example of responsible self-regulation; it's instead about them getting reined in by other circumstances.