[masklinn]

> I've had an Enterprise Java guy telling me once that "programming and Object Orientation got lost with those simpler, easy-to-use language and frameworks", referring to Ruby and Rails.

You did tell him Ruby is roughly as old as Java, Python is older and Smalltalk predates Java by almost 15 years right?

[jtheory]

The comment doesn't seem to involve when the languages and frameworks were respectively created, though if you do look at the pairings (Ruby w/ Rails, Python w/ Django as large examples), they are relatively new after all.