[UncleMeat]

> I deeply disagree that it’s the same set of individuals.

I can only share my experience, but in my case it is literally the same people. The same organizers and leaders. There are surely people out there who support one and not the other, but I don't observe them acting. When I see the people at the school board meetings, it is the same faces opposing initiatives trying to get more kids on free-and-reduced-lunch into accelerated elementary programs and also opposing initiatives to get more kids on free-and-reduced-lunch into magnet high schools.

> How many upper middle class virtue signaling anti racist parents (or parents to be) do you know who go gentrify a neighborhood and then send their kids to a charter school?

Lots. But this isn't some proof that the activists are all liars. Again, these don't tend to be the people actually pushing for change at school board meetings.

[dcow]

Sorry I meant entirely the same set of individuals. I have no doubt there’s overlap. In short I agree with you: fuck people who gerrymander school districts because they don’t want their kids to experience diversity. My point has more been that opposing college AA is not synonymous with opposing all instances of programs that aim to help the underprivileged. I just think by the time AA is relevant it is simply often too late.

My point about the parents sending their kids to magnet schools is that they’re kinda cancerous turds. They are actively resisting true diversity while at the same time claiming to be woke fucking anti racist saints. Fuck that attitude.

[UncleMeat]

And I’m telling you, at the actual school board meetings it is entirely the same set of people.

The people you are complaining about don’t show up on either side.

[dcow]

I was making two points and saying I also think clueless woke charter school parents are especially harmful and perhaps the real problem lies somewhere between something AA can address and the actual logistics of how schools receive funding and how much. I’m not necessarily sold that strictly AA at earlier stages really solves for these problematic situations either, though it might help and I do think that if AA is going to solve anything it has a much better shot and bigger impact in the early years, yes. I also suspect attacking the problem differently (at the state or city level not school board level) might be more effective at side skirting the stalemate. Ignore all that.

What is the argument from these people that show up across the board to oppose AA programs at younger levels? What are the programs? What is their goal? Just trying to get a profile on the type of people who are frustrating you.