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by cuspy 1796 days ago
This is interesting, but I have many questions.

First of all, as a premise, to me the only practical question of interest is, "which technology is better for the long term health of ecosystems". Greenhouse emissions are one critical factor among many that need to be considered when asking this question.

Given that, how does one accurately compare the relative environmental impact of greenhouse emissions versus that of heavy metals, plastics and other synthetic substances that result from the mass production and distribution of batteries and charging stations? I have never seen a convincing explanation of how this comparison could be done in a principled, empirical way.

Even putting aside the issue of being able to compare across pollutant types, are we able to confidently forecast the potential energy costs associated with the future remediation, reclamation, and/or storage of these substances?

Given that many of these materials and production biproducts (cadmium, mercury, lithium processing biproducts, PCBs, etc.) have catastrophic health effects on both humans and animals, how do we account for the energy costs of attempting to fix, manage or avoid those potential health and long-term ecosystem consequences?

If there is an agreed upon scale for comparing the environmental risk of plastic and heavy metal waste to that of emissions, where can I read about it? How was it determined, by which organizations, and what are the standards? Is there a "time preference" included as a parameter in the risk model? Do we account for worst case potential effects of bioaccumulation? and so on...

tldr: great news for EVs, greenhouse emissions are a serious issue, but how can we be certain that we have the right relative risk model?

2 comments

In advanced democracies, we’ve got a pretty good handle on pollution of the kind you’re supposedly afraid of. Batteries from EVs aren’t going to end up in a landfill. And the known health effects of ICEs air pollution are so overwhelmingly and obviously worse that I can’t help but agree with a sister comment that it’s hard to take this line of questioning as genuine.
What a load of FUD. There's no mercury, cadmium, or polychlorinated biphenyls in electric cars produced in the modern era. There's more lead in a gas car than lithium in an electric car.
no need for that. I am asking these questions out of genuine curiosity. Are you certain that there is no extra heavy metal waste or plastic waste from the entire EV production chain? Can you nudge me towards that evidence?
I have absolutely no personal agenda in asking, beyond a general concern about whether environmental risks are being fully considered. I support electric vehicles and want them to succeed.

You're just being rude. Maybe you're having a bad day. I'll give you the chance to apologize now, in front of everyone.

You first. Because it sure seems like it's you that's trolling.
I'm not sure why you think I'm trolling. I want answers to my questions about the long term energy costs of handling the respective industrial waste products from each technology. I thought maybe someone would know or have some informative comment.