[simion314]

We need to keep in mind that are 2 types of autonomus vehicles discussion. We have a company that uses a ton of hardware, radar, lidar and many cameras and then we have the other ones that want to move fast and break things using only cameras, a GPU and many beta testers. It is normal that the aproach of brute forcing it with ton of data gets a ton of criticism.

My other criticism is the bad statistics used. It is like I create the "robot athlete" and I compare it stats with the average of all athletes including the young children and the people with some physical problem. You should compare self driving with cars with exact same safety features and save driver demographics. Bonus if you calculate all deaths caused by illegal driving and then ask the giants WTF not put the money into first solve the speeding and drunk / tired driving , I bet ANN work better on this problem.

Rust in Linux seems to me a waste. IMO the Unix philosophy is great but it needs a better implementation , one that is based on the present day hardware and expectations.

[sebzim4500]

> Bonus if you calculate all deaths caused by illegal driving and then ask the giants WTF not put the money into first solve the speeding and drunk / tired driving , I bet ANN work better on this problem.

Why would they want to do that though? No one would buy a car with those features. I guess you could get a few people to buy one if the insurance was way lower, but you certainly wouldn't get decent market penetration.

[simion314]

So say someone builds a system that you install in cars that monitors how you drive, it can detect if you respect the speeding laws, if you drive normal or you have risky behavior. Few will want this in their car but they will want it on the others car so I can see this possibilities:

- a law that requires it in all cars

- a law that requires it in new cars

- a law that requires it only for new drivers (less then 2 year) and for people caught speeding/drunk.

- a law that will make certain roads only available for self driving cars or for people with this safety system. It would be a compromise between AI drivers camp and people that still want to drive themselves.

Maybe you will say something about privacy, this system can be implemented with no connectivity to spy on you. It could be read only when you want to pay your insurance or in case of an accident.

But also AI can be implemented in a different way, like you could have some quality cameras recording traffic and have the AI detect who is using the phone, who is not paying attention , who is moving in a erratic pattern , so it would be an advanced spending camera.

The argument is that the AI driver camp will demand humans to be removed from the road, because their AI driver is better then the average. To prevent you losing the right to drive then this average needs to be improved and this can be done by removing the bad drivers and a good place to start is the ones that do not respect the rules. Otherwise you might object to install a safety system in your car but then the big companies will lobby hard and you will have to use the Tesla/Google or Apple AI powered cars, then not only that he government will know all about your movement but the ad companies will know it too.