[rvz]

Most of this is still true, but this is the most balanced review of Crystal I've have read so far here.

Although I use Rust most of the time, I keep having a look at Crystal and appreciate its simplicity and can get alot of things done with it rather than fighting with the borrow checker.

Very happy to see it reach 1.0 and further.

> and corporate sponsorship

Well there are companies (and smaller individuals) that are still sponsoring it every month. [0]

[0] https://crystal-lang.org/sponsors/

[valbaca]

Compared to the Google sponsorship of Go and the Amazon sponsorship of Rust, a few thousand from unknown vaporware companies isn't really a level comparison.

(disclaimer: I was once a coffee sponsor of Crystal myself)

[rvz]

> a few thousand from unknown vaporware companies isn't really a level comparison

I see, So: "If a company that I don't know about is putting money into a language, it's doesn't really fit my definition of 'real' sponsorship"

It still counts as sponsorship whether if it is a FAANMG company or a tiny startup and there are companies that use Crystal that are sponsoring it monthly. No need to move the goal posts here.

Probably the Golang people did the exact same comparison to Rust when that reached 1.0 in 2015; way before the Rust foundation was formed or any company sponsoring Rust other than Mozilla.

So perhaps Ocaml (The language that Rust was first written in) doesn't count as well since that has a couple of so called 'unknown vaporware companies' and zero FAAMNG companies on the list of 'sponsors' then? [0]

[0] https://ocaml-sf.org

[valbaca]

You're right, the name of the company or FAANG-ness doesn't matter. I didn't claim only FAANG sponsorship matters, but it is important and even more important, the amount of $ does.

I also never said it wasn't "real" sponsorship or didn't count. Don't put words in my mouth. I said it isn't a level comparison.

> any company sponsoring Rust other than Mozilla

Mozilla? never heard of them. I only know FAANG apparently /s

Also, Ocaml has supporters such as Bloomberg and Mitsubishi. Not exactly mom-and-pop startups.

Again, I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing. I'm literally a sponsor of Crystal. I put my money where my mouth is.

[rvz]

> but it is important and even more important, the amount of $ does.

Also you:

> Also, Ocaml has supporters such as Bloomberg and Mitsubishi. Not exactly mom-and-pop startups.

Perhaps Jane Street is also another mom-and-pop startup then. /s

So they (Bloomberg, and Mitsubishi) somehow matter because they're "Not exactly mom-and-pop startups" even though you also said, "the amount of money they are giving matters". Given the OCaml sponsorship levels [0], Bloomberg (Silver) donates around $1250 - $2084 a month and Mitsubishi (Bronze) around $416 - $1249. That is still less than the monthly amount that either Nikola Motor or 84 Codes is putting in combined.

Nikola Motor isn't not a startup and still sponsors and uses Crystal. It seems that they have alot of money left over every month to throw at Crystal even before it reached 1.0.

> I said it isn't a level comparison.

Then congratulations to Crystal for getting sponsors (and companies sponsoring it) even before 1.0 then. They'll probably get more even after 1.0 then.

Never saw that in Rust before the foundation was formed (which should have been done earlier) since its actually Google again (not Mozilla) feeding the majority of the sponsorship funds to Mozilla.

> Again, I'm not exactly sure what you're arguing. I'm literally a sponsor of Crystal. I put my money where my mouth is.

Good and so do the companies that still use Crystal to this day even before 1.0. At least individuals can sponsor it as I mentioned previously. Unlike Go, whose fate is ultimately in the hands of Google for any decision they make for the language.

[0] https://ocaml-sf.org/becoming-a-sponsor/