[shadowlight]

We're in the habit of blaming the police for everything. No. When there is a call for danger assume the worst. Not doing so could mean a life is lost. It is very rare for someone to die of a heart attack because of a swat.

How about we punish the hell out of anyone who does these stupid prank calls instead.

[vidarh]

Part of the problem is that the SWAT type response to a reported threat is a dangerous and extremist from of policing.

If US police focused more on containment and de-escalation this wouldn't be a problem in the first place.

[AstralStorm]

Standard practice elsewhere is to send the nearest foot or car patrol to investigate, and prepare intervention team as backup.

No idea why you would send an intervention team in blind, much less on an unconfirmed tip. It's a recipe for all kinds of disasters and expensive one too.

[adrianN]

How about we do both? Think of strategies that minimize harm in case of a false alert and severe punishment for malicious false alerts? Death by heart attack is not the only possible bad outcome of a SWAT team storming a house.

[everdrive]

>We're in the habit of blaming the police for everything.

This is true, and I think people today have a very warped view of policing. However, there are plenty of legitimate areas of improvement:

- No knock raids

- Violent arrests of non-violent offenders

- Eminent domain

- etc.

No knock raids are particularly troubling because (among many other reasons) they can result in a legal shootout between police and civilians: A civilian who has been violently woken up in the middle of the night is disoriented and scared, and legitimately believes he is subject to a life-threatening home invasion. He opens fire on the police, who he believes to be the home invaders. The police, being fired on, have a legitimate right to defend themselves. It's not airtight, but this scenario can lead to a legal shootout where both parties have valid legal arguments.

I realize this is mostly oblique to the topic at hand, but our policing can and should be improved, even if it gives ammunition to the folks who want to demonize the police unjustly.

[SpelingBeeChamp]

It sounds pretty airtight to me. (But the formerly-sleeping person's legal argument doesn't really matter, since they are dead.)

What do you think isn't airtight in that scenario?

[Retric]

You can react without assuming the worst. For example after a bomb threat it is reasonable to calmly evacuate a school and do a search, that doesn’t mean people should be fleeing for their lives. Swatting however generally provokes an over reaction.

[unishark]

> Swatting however generally provokes an over reaction.

How can you know this. My guess would be it's like hacking any other system. You hear about the few times they succeed. Especially if turns into a horrible incident the news media can use to fit one of their favorite narratives.

[Retric]

Several states recently passed anti swatting legislation, California (2013), Illinois (2015), etc because it’s common enough to be considered a significant issue. It’s not just about the risk to the public, these overreactions interferes with the police and waste significant resources.

Really people have been doing this for a long time, the “boy who cried wolf” is part of Aesop's Fables dating to ~600 BCE. Swatting is significant because it’s harder for cops to filter based on internet famous than actually famous.

[unishark]

The boy who cried wolf is not a story of over-reactions. And none of this evidence proves or even suggests such a thing, unless perhaps you were claiming the laws themselves were an over-reaction. Or unless you are defining over-reaction as any reaction at all other than omnisciently knowing when a warning is false and not reacting to it.

[mcv]

Assuming the worst includes assuming being used for swatting. Excessively violent response from US police is a big part of the problem. Also see Brionna Taylor. The police should always verify before going in guns blazing.

[watwut]

No, the swatting issue is at least 50% on police as organization. There are and will always be assholes and false calls.

Institution that reacts without care and with sever overreaction so often, will have more of them simply because they are super easy to make attack.