[Kluny]

Except they're not doing nothing, are they? They're raising their kids, fixing their car, cooking healthy food, going to the doctor, visiting their mom, and any number of other things that a person working minimum wage can't make time for. The survival stipend gives them not only money, but time. When you see that, you start to realize how much those crappy jobs COST people.

[gruez]

What are you arguing here? Everything you said is consistent with "money for doing nothing".

[Kluny]

Building a community? Raising kids? Looking after elders? Do these things have no value to you?