[svantana]

Your idea of what is punk sounds like the mass-marketing by malcolm mclaren. Consider a band like the Buzzcocks, all around friendly looking blokes but they pressed up their own 7" singles, that is the true spirit of punk.

[elefanten]

It all sounds like ineffable cultural projection. Ask 10 self-identified punks for a definition of "punk" and get 10 different answers.