[ithkuil]

I don't care who caused things. I just don't want things to change. Call be "environmental conservative" if you wish; I want my grand-children to bathe in the beach I grew up, under the shadow of pines and olive trees. I don't care if nature or humans destroy that, I just don't want this to be destroyed. Arguing that in the past nature caused wider temperature swings than what humans could do doesn't make me feel any better. Life on earth was much different back then, dinosaurs and Pangea and whatnot.

I think this whataboutsim about nature is missing the point about how we actually want to live.

Socially conservative people should probably care more about conserving our way of life as in having children running on meadows instead of being trapped under domes or underground. Instead they're focusing on preserving their relatively recent life-style of reckless burning fossil fuel.

We may be wrong and maybe it will turn out that all this caution was not necessary. But it's not that we're saying we should all curl up in a corner and die.

There are alternative ways to deal with resources that can give jobs to people and let humanity thrive in other ways. What are you people really afraid of exactly? What kind of fearmongering have you been exposed to? That all the last decent people will disappear when coal mines will close? What is it, really? Even if all we end up doing wasn't really necessary to "save the planet" but just to have better air quality in our cities, would that be that bad?