[michaelmrose]

If I host a document for a certified notadoctor telling you that you should treat your children's autism by feeding them bleach which will certainly constitute abusing all of them and perhaps killing some do you think online marketplaces of ideas should ignore the fact that half the population is dumber than dirt and the dead kids and keep serving up poison?

[reedjosh]

> fact that half the population is dumber than dirt

I think you're going a little far there, and the fact that you're using this to justify censorship is pretty ugly.

[michaelmrose]

The case I gave is not in any way hypothetical there were many popular actual self published ebooks on amazon instructing you to abuse and possibly kill your kids with bleach to cure their autism.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/28/amazon-removes-books-promoti...

I'm not going too far I'm speaking empirically. Almost 1/4 of the population has an IQ less than 90 and is empirically challenged and a substantial portion of the remainder including those with reasonable or even high IQ are completely dysfunctional because regardless of how functional a brain they were born with they have basically ruined it by training it only to consume and create trash.

One has only to talk to a large enough number of your fellow humans to realize half of them are in fact dumber than dirt. If there weren't literature about bleaching your childs insides to cure their autism or other insanity of the same grade would find no takers.

If you find the number of bleach swillers insufficient consider thatnearly 40% of us in America believe that a genie created the earth less than 10k years ago. Overwhelmingly this is because they do not possess the intellectual aptitude to dismiss this theory. If their brains were highly functioning they would do so despite conditioning. Plenty of people will live 70-100 years and pass away in their hospital bed without ever ever having turned their brain into the on position.

On the flip side others aggressively question the reality they are given but because they lack the inherent intelligence or have spent their entire intellectual life consuming the equivalent of junk food they are utterly incapable of discerning the difference between insane fantasy and truth.

[cheese_van]

The comment provokes a thought however, ugliness aside.

Most of us here are presuming (I presume) that we are immune from misinformation, disinformation etc. Why is that? What quality distinguishes we,the observers,from they,the victims?

It seems obvious that education might be the decider. But I'd like to know. What quality of the HN reader distinguishes him from the victim of misinformation?

[reedjosh]

I do not believe I'm immune to disinformation. This is why I don't think it makes sense for a majority to control a minority or vice versa.

[michaelmrose]

There is plenty of room to have a nuanced conversation about different viewpoints while also taking down obvious lies and crazy. The choice is not between moderating everything and nothing.

[michaelmrose]

We are all vulnerable to misinformation that affirms our existing biases or that comes from individuals/organizations that have either previously been reliable sources or we have incorrectly regarded as reliable.

If the Washington Post ran an article that stated that a former NASA scientist believed the rate of climate change was vastly higher than previously anticipated I would probably buy it.

If it later turned out his specialty was Chemistry, he had been fired for using his expertise to make meth, and his research was bunkum I would have to eat crow and watch that publication far more carefully.

On a more realistic note I believed to my chagrin that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and reading of some of the awful crimes of Saddam I thought not going in would be a great act of moral evil as it would mean abandoning the citizens to be victimized by a monster. 21 year old me didn't realize there was no good proof of WMDs, that we would kill half a million of them, and that we might well leave them no better off if our efforts collapsed shortly after we left.

Insofar as what separates the reasonable from the rubes

- A modest amount of accumulated understandings about how history,science, math, stats etc work sufficient to reject obviously untrue statements

- The understanding that everything you understand or think you know ought to be criticized and revised over time in response to new evidence. Valuing truth over authority and conformity.

- An understanding of the common failure modes of logic and reason so that you can recognize bullshit when you see it

- A reasonably strategy to use all of the above to evaluate sources continually to see if they are and remain trustworthy.

[porknubbins]

What we really all need is the right degree of epistemological humility. I think I’m better than average at discerning misinformation yes, but know that I have been wrong in the past so never weight my conclusions 100%. Its mostly people who live only in the political/social and never have to bang their heads against the hard truth of physics/nature who have complete certainty in the corectness of their positions.