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by lordnacho
1797 days ago
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Those are just representations of logic that have developed via evolution in the physical world. The logic itself doesn't have a physical presence, it's just the inescapable conclusions drawable from any number of starting assumptions. There doesn't need to exist a universe with thinking things for logic to be logic. Part of the explanation problem is that we tend to say "if you were to assume..." naturally in our language. But if course this causes a problem because logic is not part of nature and that phrase trends to assume some kind of thinking being doing the logical thinking. |
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Logic definitely exists as a method in human philosophy. You could argue that it's somehow "baked in" to the universe, whether by a creator or by some other cause, and that we only discovered it and didn't invent it. But the claim that it transcends our universe and would exist and be accessible from all other possible universes, even ones with different physics, different kinds of space and time (two temporal dimensions? who knows?) etc doesn't seem obvious in the slightest.
This is especially true when there are so many types of logic used in mathematics and philosophy to begin with: first-order or higher-order logic, constructive logic, Peano arithmetic, Zermelo-Fraenkel, ZF with Choice, etc.
Even once you have the axioms, they may support different models. Are just the axioms true universally, but models varying across universes? Is it possible that there are universes where all statements are true? Are there universes with Choice and others without it?