[dragonwriter]

> Feminism want us to believe that taking care of kids is a burden that men unfairly push to women while they go off to have fun at work.

No, feminism (except perhaps some weird subcategory of bourgeois feminism) does not want you to believe work is fun. And most feminism places the blame here on institutional patriarchy (which binds both men and women with restrictive gender roles, harming both) not men pushing restrictive gender roles on women.

You do seem to describe a common right-wing caricature of feminism, though.

[biasedbrain]

Really? Then why do governments feel they have to force men to take time off?

Men in the relationship are typically seen as the "arm" of the patriarchy.

It is true that in this case it would benefit men if they were granted more time with their children (at the expense of the mothers and the family finances). But that is more accidental.

Show me a "proper feminist" article arguing for the benefit of men, rather against the exploitation of women, with regard to that subject, if you believe you know feminism so much better.

[dragonwriter]

> Then why do governments feel they have to force men to take time off?

Instead of arbitrarily deciding the reason is “feminism” and then trying to invent attributes of feminism that make that make sense, tou could probably do the minimal research it would take to find the actual reasons cited by any one of the governments in adopting the rule. I feel safe in the assumption that it is “men unfairly push to women while they go off to have fun at work” in precisely zero of them.

> Show me a "proper feminist" article arguing for the benefit of men, rather against the exploitation of women

Uh, okay: “Yet, the proportion of men who take more than a few days off work when their child is born is tiny.

Most cite fears of being discriminated against professionally, missing out on pay rises and promotions, being marginalised or even mocked as reasons for not taking time off. Academics consider these concerns to be the effect of deeply ingrained and highly damaging stereotypes around gender” [0]

[0] https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210712-paternity-leav... (yes, the article we’re already discussing in this thread.)

[biasedbrain]

"I feel safe in the assumption that it is “men unfairly push to women while they go off to have fun at work” in precisely zero of them."

But you don't actually know the reasons?

"yes, the article we’re already discussing in this thread."

Is that a feminist article? What makes it so?

"Academics consider these concerns to be the effect of deeply ingrained and highly damaging stereotypes around gender"

As expected, they don't dare to mention the real reasons (female privilege). It is not "just" societal constructs, it is the negotiation position of the wombs.

[dragonwriter]

> But you don't actually know the reasons?

I know the reasons that have been cited for some policies aimed at encouraging men to take more maternity leave, including the workplace expectations/social pressure one cited in this article , which has been cited prominently around the Swedish policy with 90-days for each partner that is non-transferable plus a large pool that can be used by either partner. I haven't cataloged every argument cited for every policy of this type in every country. If you can find one that supports your characterization, you are welcome to present it.

> As expected, they don't dare to mention the real reasons (female privilege)

So now you are not only arguing that “feminist want us to believe X” without any evidence of feminists suggesting that, you also have added a hidden motive with similarly no evidence.

Your unsupported ideological fantasy is getting more elaborate, but not any more supported.

[biasedbrain]

The ideology is that differences in behavior are merely the result of oppression (via social norms) by the mythical patriarchy (which apparently isn't perpetrated by men, according to you, so who is it?). Not that behavioral differences have a biological foundation.

However, there is no point in arguing. I don't know what kind of feminist literature you encounter. Maybe you just choose to read it with pink tinted glasses, or you only see the moderate ones. You get to choose your own view of the world, of course.