[johnchristopher]

> Literally no one said that.

I am not saying people said that. All those sentences you dismiss are arguments I make to explain why the idea that content owners forced anybody to steal their content is wrong (and dishonest).

> Now. When you're ready to argue with what I'm saying, I will gladly continue this discussion. However, so far you're debating some points literally no one said.

On the contrary, I am debating a point you literally made.

Reminder, this is what you wrote and what I disagree with:

> And the only fault lies with the people who decided to pull SG1 (and other content) from Netflix.

So it is my understanding you are the one not arguing with what I am saying.

With that being said:

You don't say much besides "I am entitled to pirate any content I want if it's not available legally, content owners are forcing me to do it and it's their fault". And that is simply not true, they are not forcing you to do anything.

edit: I'll play that card too:

> Ah yes. The poor owners who didn't anything at all and now are suffering.

Literaly no one said that.

edit 2:

> > Whatever it is, it's up to them to manage their content however they see fit.

> Literally no one said it wasn't up to them

Then stop fucking complaining about how they don't give you access to their content for god's sake.

[dmitriid]

> You don't say much besides "I am entitled to pirate any content I want if it's not available legally

I'm not saying "I'm entitled".

Once again, come back when you're ready to debate what I'm saying, not what you imagine I'm saying.

[johnchristopher]

You literally posted as an argument a comic (theoatmeal) about a guy who ends up pirating Game of Thrones because he can't find a subscription to watch it.

> Once again, come back when you're ready to debate what I'm saying, not what you imagine I'm saying.

You can keep on playing the "you are imagining what I am saying" the fact remains you also posted this:

> If those people chose to pirate SG1, literally nothing in the equation will change: the owners will keep not getting the money.

> And the only fault lies with the people who decided to pull SG1 (and other content) from Netflix.

And I have yet to see any arguments from you against my statement that no content owners are forcing anybody to go on the hunt for pirated content. It's entirely in the pirate's camp that lies the decision to download pirated content.

I can understand that people used to pirating are in full dissonance cognitive mode regarding their justifications but it remains and will likely always remain that they are not forced to pirate content. It's simply not true.

Downloading pirated content might be the only option but no one is forced to.

> Once again, come back when you're ready to debate what I'm saying,

Frankly, the same to you too.

[dmitriid]

Let me go to your original argument: "The owners won't get money from people who pirated content once they make their content available again.".

Reread the article we're commenting on.

The rest is literally moot.

[johnchristopher]

Then let's get back to my answer:

> > 1. Their own fault

> Owners have made a bad commercial move but it doesn't force people to pirate their content. [..]

And this piece, as-is:

> > And the only fault lies with the people who decided to pull SG1 (and other content) from Netflix.

> No. The only people responsible for pirating SG1 are the pirates. The owners of SG1 don't owe anything to Netflix viewers and they certainly didn't force the hands of anybody to pirate their content.

And then to my original argument (summarized) (and please note it's not about whether piracy harms sales or not):

> Netflix is a rental platform. Like the old DVD and VHS rental shops. And regularly some content gets pull off the shelves because they don't have the licensing fees. It's a pretty well known fact some movies and TV shows come and go on Netflix.

> > He/she wants to watch a series on a service he/she pays for.

> It's like complaining a vegan restaurant doesn't serve meat.

> There are a lot of comments on HN when this topic comes up that feel like people want their cake and eat it too "or else I'll just pirate, there's a gun to my head, they give me no choice".

I am still waiting for a valid example from you that proves people are/were forced to pirate SG1 content when content owners pulls them off Netflix.

Can you actually give one or do you simply refuse to admit you were wrong about that specific point and this ping pong thread will never end ?