[delecti]

Edit: I can admit when I'm wrong. I stand by my assertion that it's absurd to call him a founder of Tesla, but his position in SpaceX seems to be legit.

~~He may be credited as chief engineer at SpaceX, but that doesn't mean he's meaningfully contributing to actual engineering efforts.~~ He's also credited as a founder of Tesla, despite not actually being involved in the founding of that company.

[kiba]

Elon Musk is a real engineer, especially if other engineers said he's an engineer.[1]

Whatever his history is with other people or whatever his personality flaws or weakness, he's the real deal.

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...

[Dah00n]

>if other engineers said he's an engineer

Nonsense! Engineer is an education, not a job title. It's no different than Musk calling himself Doctor. He either went to school for years to become an engineer or he isn't one.

[iso1210]

The term Engineer is pretty much meaningless in the US. The IT trade is pathetic in this area -- if you swap out a few cat5s you're suddenly an "Network Engineer". Cut and paste some stackoverflow snippets together and you're a "Software Engineer".

In the UK the term is meaningless too, but CEng isn't. You don't become a Chartered Engineer until you've done the education but also have monitored professional practice experience.

[hef19898]

The bare minimum is to have bachelor's degree in engineering, no matter what engineering field. You have that, you are an engineer, you don't you'rr not. Regardless of the career you choose after graduation.

[emptysongglass]

I'm a software engineer. I do software engineering with other software engineers. But I didn't go to school for it, I was self-taught. That doesn't make me less of an engineer.

It's ok to express an opinion about Musk either way. You can not like him for all kinds of reasons. But he actually wrote video games as a kid growing up. He wrote code at his earliest startups and a lot of it.

[TheRealNGenius]

It kinda does, not because you were self trained, but because it is software engineering. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_and_licensure_in_en...

[Tabular-Iceberg]

I know the word gets thrown around a lot, but “software engineering” doesn’t really have anything to do with engineering at all, and it certainly doesn’t make anyone engineers. Not just because it doesn’t have any formal recognition as an engineering discipline but more importantly because the field is too immature for any such recognition to be at all meaningful. Case in point, all those private certification schemes and how lousy predictors they are of project success.

[TheRealNGenius]

this is correct, it shouldn't be called engineering at all actually.

[Dah00n]

>I'm a software engineer.

You know as well as I do that when talking about building a submarine (and linking to SpaceX discussions) "Engineer" isn't meant as someone who made a video game back in the day. It has zero percentage to do with code.

With that said I'm also sure you know that Software Engineer isn't seen as a "real engineer" (and I'm in the same camp as you FYI). It is more like Medical Technician versus Doctor. In most countries you need a license besides an education to b a "real engineer" and Software Engineers cannot get one. The whole job title is a misnomer, just like Engineer in American English has become it seems, though some Board of Examiners still sue you if you try to call yourself an Engineer without a license[0].

I did not write a single word that was positive or negative about Elon Musk in the comment.

[0]https://eu.starnewsonline.com/story/news/2021/06/10/former-w...

[AussieWog93]

Even if he doesn't do the hands-on design work himself, he's clearly good at both recognising engineering talent and evaluating information that's presented to him. You couldn't have either of these skills without some engineering knowledge.

[delecti]

I edited my comment a while ago, I'm not sure your reply is really relevant to the updated version.

But what you described is just being a CTO. That's an important job, but is still separate from being chief engineer.

[_hyn3]

“He’s obviously skilled at all those different functions, but certainly what really drives him and where his passion really is, is his role as CTO,” or chief technology officer, Reisman said. “Basically his role as chief designer and chief engineer. That’s the part of the job that really plays to his strengths."

From that Reddit thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/SpaceXLounge/comments/k1e0ta/eviden...

[andi999]

So when will his engineers tell him that hyperloop won't work (assuming he honestly doesn't know).

[_hyn3]

Why won't it? It's just scaling up bank air tubes. But that's almost irrelevant to my larger point:

Where would we be right now if [pick any inventor] had listened when the experts said, "it won't work"?

An inventor's job is to have a big imagination. A successful inventor usually has enough of an engineering background to test their hypothesis and refine as needed. Most of them also know how to gather highly educated minds to help them.

Many successful inventors do not have deep academic backgrounds, because often those educational backgrounds tell them only what is impossible, not what is possible.

[Dah00n]

Sure, but having engineering knowledge doesn't make you an engineer just like having medical knowledge doesn't make you a doctor.