[pjmlp]

Plus there are frameworks like JGoodies and everyone should look at Filthy Rich Clients book.

The biggest issue with Swing is just bad defaults. Except for NeWS, Sun wasn't really into the desktop business.

[criddell]

I really like JetBrains IDEs and I think they are based on Swing.

Although I haven't used it for more than a decade, I still have some fondness for Java. I like Workflowy but am not crazy about it being in the browser. I contemplated writing my own outliner and Java + Swing is one combination I'm thinking about.