[pydry]

Internal activism has demonstrably achieved a noticeable amount in steering the company to act a bit more morally.

As far as I can tell all of the people quitting have achieved precisely fuck all. Not a single example to the contrary I can think of. Not at a big tech company (at a startup maybe).

Interestingly every time this topic crops up there's a chorus of "just quit if you feel that way about it" as if the exact opposite was true although in reality I think everybody kind of knows it's really not.

From a non American perspective it's really strange watching this play out. Like looking at a culture that cant see the color blue or something.

[dasil003]

> As far as I can tell all of the people quitting have achieved precisely fuck all. Not a single example to the contrary I can think of. Not at a big tech company (at a startup maybe).

The idea is that you leave and go work on something else that makes the world better versus contributing to the borg.

[pydry]

Still a good chance it'll come to nothing and your efforts to help reform the borg if you stayed (even by a tiny amount) would have been more effective in making the world a better place.

It's definitely a trade off thats quite personal.

Unlike other personal trade offs people seem quite comfortable making this one on your behalf.

[CRConrad]

> As far as I can tell all of the people quitting have achieved precisely fuck all. Not a single example to the contrary I can think of. Not at a big tech company (at a startup maybe).

The thesis being, AIUI, that then they weren't good enough. Because if they had been, the competitor they started after leaving would have buried their original employer.