[void_mint]

> You may not care if your current employer considers you a bad hire or not, and that's fine. In our industry, in this market, you can get away with that. Some of us hold ourselves to a higher standard.

This is just silly. Your argument is that you would care if your employer developed ridiculous and contrived metrics and then assessed your value based on them? I don't really think your holier-than-thou statement makes much sense in that capacity.

As I said, equity drives investment. If you don't own a percentage of the success, you're trading time for money. This is neither new nor controversial. Any suggestions otherwise are, again, hustle culture propaganda.

[mdoms]

It's like you skipped over my entire post and only read the last sentence.

> Your argument is that you would care if your employer developed ridiculous and contrived metrics and then assessed your value based on them?

No. As I alluded to, I think that a developer who does not care about his or her end user is a worse developer in concrete ways.

[void_mint]

> No. As I alluded to, I think that a developer who does not care about his or her end user is a worse developer in concrete ways.

Remove developer and answer again.

[mdoms]

"I think that a who does not care about his or her end user is a worse in concrete ways"

??

[void_mint]

> "I think that a who does not care about his or her end user is a worse in concrete ways"

You're just....saying things...? What does "Caring about the end user" have to do with "Believing in your product"?

[cercatrova]

You told them to remove "developer" from their sentence and they did, that's how the sentence now reads. I didn't get your point either above.

[throwaway98797]

Dare to care. It may surprise you. If you take mercantile view of the world then that’s how the world will treat you.

[void_mint]

More nonsense. I care hard about things that care about me, aka not businesses that I do not have a stake in.

[saurik]

Then ask for a stake? This is why so many people are paid part of their salary in stock options.

[void_mint]

Yep, I do. But lots of employers don't offer any form of equity as compensation. The same employers that demand their employees to be "invested" in the company.