[as_i_fall]

Are these assets backed by legally binding contracts? If the answer is no it doesn't seem like a stretch.

If I sold you a stock in my company that gave you none of the traditional shareholder rights I'd also call those shares "fake", which seems to be what's going on here.

[tylersmith]

Nobody is claiming to be selling stock in companies. They're claiming to be, and are, selling synthetic assets that track that price movements of stock.

[klipt]

How is that different to a bucket shop? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bucket_shop_(stock_market)

[tylersmith]

It's not really. They're transparent, auditable, and typically they're designed to use over-collateralization to prevent liquidity problems, but they're not 100% immune to them and still count as bucket shops IMO.

But they're absolutely not fraud or "fake stocks".

[trainsplanes]

According to the Wikipedia link, bucket shops are illegal gambling.

So if what this is doing isn't any different than a bucket shop... I think we'll see the same outcome.

[55555]

Are they illegal everywhere though?

[tim333]

The spread betting companies in the UK work very much like bucket shops and are not only legal but tax free. Unlike these blockchain things they are regulated and unlikely to run off with your money.

[tylersmith]

Yes I think that's very likely. The closer DeFi gets to traditional markets the more likely enforcement is coming.

[sneak]

What are some possible enforcement mechanisms against Ethereum DeFi smart contracts?

[beambot]

Forward contacts and SPVs are two ways of encumbering share ownership without (necessarily) conferring all the rights of the underlying shares.

[as_i_fall]

Sure, but those are backed by different legally binding contracts which also give legal recourse to buyers. My point is that unlike other types of synthetic assets these seem to have no legal backing and could quite conceivably be regulated out of existence in the future.

[anm89]

No one is claiming they are selling you a stock in a company. That's the whole point. They are very clear that they aren't selling you a stock in a company.

[User23]

That’s what GOOG is (as opposed to the “real” Alphabet stock GOOGL). So by your definition one of the FAANGs is issuing “fake” stock. And for some reason it trades higher than the “real” shares.

[joosters]

Owning GOOG still gives you a real 'share' in the company, i.e. if the company was wound up and all its assets sold off, you would get paid in proportion to the amount of GOOG you owned. Whereas you would get no such thing with these fake stocks.