[dekrg]

More end to end encryption use only means more laws banning encryption faster.

Or do you really think that when for example DoH gains wider adoption all the countries using DNS based blocking will go "Oh well guess the techies got us".

[yarg]

Good luck with that - the genie's out of the bottle.

End to end encryption is vital to the operations of modern businesses, it's not going anywhere anytime soon.

[coding123]

You'd be surprised then how fast things bend and eventually break under government rule.

[throwawayboise]

Agreed. Most people, when confronted with the choice of jail vs. doing what they are told, will do what they are told.

[tgsovlerkhgsel]

This works best if the individuals or companies doing this have a meaningful presence in your country and/or consider it a sufficiently relevant market.

If they don't, your critical infrastructure (Internet) just stops working until you conform to the standards set by those who write the software.

[ben_w]

Sure, and then the governments are forced to tell the intelligence agencies they can no longer afford all the we-told-you-so consequential successful hacks that happened because of the back doors they demanded.

And the competent criminals will still be able to roll their own encrypted communications from existing open source libraries.

[nextaccountic]

Counterpoint: China does modern business just fine.

[intricatedetail]

Businesses will need to have a license and keep logs of such communication.

[t-writescode]

E2E encryption is? Or encryption in general? SSL is not E2E. The data isn’t encrypted at rest in most places.

I want E2E encryption as much as the next person, but we need to make sure we’re honest about its use cases

[yarg]

The only distinction there is Client/Server vs Peer/Peer, peer discovery is a thing, but other than that it's fundamentally the same problem with the same solution(s).

[koolba]

The world has a poor history on banning the application of math.

[sillysaurusx]

laughs in Mandarin

Well, I shouldn’t do that. Suffice to say, it’s simply a fact that China bans VPNs, and pretty much everyone goes along with it. People fear jail.

It’s hard (but not impossible) to imagine Europe and the US doing that. NordVPN is practically a household name, at least on YouTube.

[jaimex2]

President Pooh bans VPNs but pretty much everyone uses them and jumps over the great wall.

People just have a 'compliance' phone when authorities ask to rummage through it.

[LaerkeFuglesang]

> People just have a 'compliance' phone when authorities ask to rummage through it.

Does this ever work? Depending on the jurisdiction, law enforcement authorities can easily get a warrant to enter your home and search through everything to ensure that they find all of your devices.

[csomar]

VPNs are not illegal in China and are part of doing business/daily life. China is authoritarian, but at least smart. They understand that the great firewall can reduce the free flow of information to a respectable degree and thus they implemented it. They also understand that going after VPNs is futile with the current technology.

[dv_dt]

Which is ironically self defeating after major multiple security product breaches. Laws banning encryption or requiring backdoors as well as the practice of secret court warrants discourage fundamental investment in strong encryption products and standards.