[busterarm]

My whole point is that they're not really comparable from a level of effort perspective, despite claims.

Hosted Kubernetes isn't significantly easier either, as every host is offering you different things as "Kubernetes" and has different ways that you will need to manually intervene to overcome problems.

I'm only telling you this from experience, being years down the rabbit hole already.

[pgwhalen]

I also speak from experience, from an organization that has had a lot of success with kubernetes. Perhaps we're in the sweet spot where our workload is suited for it but there still isn't a huge amount of complexity in maintaining it.