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by saurik 1815 days ago
I feel like you think this means munk-a is merely refusing to update past iOS 10, but there are devices that simply can't. (The ones stuck specifically on iOS 10 forever are the iPhone 5 and 5c.)
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Claiming devices from before 2018 are essentially bricks is still hyperbole because the iPhone 5c was released long before that, 2013. The iPhone 6s, released in 2015, will run iOS 15.

I think the original message was poorly worded, I think they were imagining that devices that can't run iOS 15 would essentially be bricks because every app maker would build their apps in this way that only works on iOS 15 devices. Of course, this will not happen. It has long been the case that developers need to balance the advantages of using techniques enabled in newer OS versions against the advantage of supporting a wider range of OS versions.

Well, as someone who stays on slightly old versions of iOS, that I can't even order food off of DoorDash is pretty frustrating. The reality is that people do in fact derelict these old devices under an expectation that everyone is rich enough to throw out perfectly functional equipment and replace it all the time. It is sad that Apple is actually the best at this :/.
I don't care about 3rd party delivery services but it looks like like DoorDash has a website so you can still be their customer.

It looks like their app requires iOS 13 which requires an iPhone 6s or newer (though it can run iOS 14 and will run iOS 15). The iPhone 6 won't run iOS 13, it had five years between its release and the release of an OS it can't run, that still seems like a respectable amount for a phone.

Apple is way better at supporting the longevity of their devices, through build quality and continued OS support, than the Android world is.

Given that my iPhone 6 cost $200 and I break a screen every 1-2 years, 5 years is more than enough. I’d never pay to replace a screen or battery on an old phone. I’d imagine a significant portion of devices have been accidentally smashed or dropped in a lake by that time.
>Well, as someone who stays on slightly old versions of iOS, that I can't even order food off of DoorDash is pretty frustrating.

Well, the idea with iOS/macOS is "Have a recent OS+Device, we change things all the time and demand that everyone moves along in 5-6 years or so".

With Windows it's "We support 20+ years old programs just fine. If you're OK with having to deal with 8+ layers of GUI code and legacy cruft, we're your thing".

It's not like this hasn't been the case for decades, for it to be a suprise...

Calling them 'essentially bricks' is calling them functionless, which they are not.

The iPhone 5/5c was released nine years ago. I'm just not crying for it. If your app dev isn't updating for iOS 15, you're stuck with the old version anyway. Sorry your decade-old device can't use the latest technology.

Well, I'll claim they are potentially worse than bricks, as they are riddled with remotely exploitable security holes (such as the various iMessage ones that come out every year)... like some kind of dangerous land mine in the shape of a brick.
I wouldn’t mind so much if I could have access to older software that still runs on the device.
This is a real problem for my device - I essentially can't download any "new" software since the app store only appears to make versions incompatible with the newest OS available - and my device (a 2012 iPad 4 Retina to be precise) refuses to update past iOS 10.3.3
these devices are nearly 10 years old
iPhone 5 is 9 years old, iPhone 5C is 8.
Oh sorry to clarify 2018 is when my partner got their most recent Apple device which will be able to run this update fine - our previous device is a Retina iPad from 2012. Re-reading my wording yea, I can see how that read as hyperbolic, sorry about that!