[dmitriid]

All that is good and dandy until you run a command and it spews a serialised Go struct instead of a proper error. And, of course, that struct has zero relationship to what the actual error is.

Example:

    The Job "export-by-user" is invalid: spec.template: Invalid value: core.PodTemplateSpec{ObjectMeta:v1.ObjectMeta{Name:"", GenerateName:"", Namespace:"", SelfLink:"", UID:"", ResourceVersion:"", Generation:0, CreationTimestamp:v1.Time{Time:time.Time{wall:0x0, ext:0, loc:(*time.Location)(nil)}}, DeletionTimestamp:(*v1.Time)(nil), DeletionGracePeriodSeconds:(*int64)(nil), Labels:map[string]string{"controller-uid":"416d5527-9d9b-4d3c-95d2-5d17c969be19", "job-name": "export-by-user", Annotations:map[string]string(nil), OwnerReferences:[]v1.OwnerReference(nil), Finalizers:[]string(nil), ClusterName:"", ManagedFields:[]v1.ManagedFieldsEntry(nil)}, Spec:core.PodSpec{Volumes:[]core.Volume(nil), InitContainers:[]core.Container(nil), Containers:[]core.Container{core.Container{Name:"....

And it just goes on.

The actual error? The job is already running and cannot be modified

[nvarsj]

That one has annoyed people for a long time. See https://github.com/kubernetes/kubernetes/issues/48388.

I'm pretty sure if you have the time to make a PR to fix it, it would be welcome. But I'm guessing it's non trivial or it would have been fixed by now - probably a quirk of the code generation logic.

[smarterclayton]

Wow, I’d forgotten about this. The reason no one has fixed it is partially because I didn’t do a great job of describing what the fix was I expected to see (clarified now). Reopened and will poke folks to look.

[dmitriid]

> I'm pretty sure if you have the time to make a PR to fix it, it would be welcome.

Google had a net income of $17.9 billion in just Q1 of 2021.

I believe they have the resources to fix that, and I will not be shamed into "if you have time, please open a PR towards this opensource project".

> But I'm guessing it's non trivial or it would have been fixed by now - probably a quirk of the code generation logic.

I remember the "quirks of generation logic" being used as an excuse for Google's horrendous Java APIs towards their cloud services. "It's just how we generate it from specs and don't have the time to make it pretty".

For the life of me can't find that GitHub issue that called this out. Somehow their other APIs (for example, .net) are much better.

Edit: found it

https://github.com/googleapis/google-cloud-java/issues/2331#... and https://github.com/googleapis/google-cloud-java/issues/2331#...

[busterarm]

Typically in my experience, the further you get away from AdWords, the more broken Google's client libraries are.

I recall a little more than half a decade ago settling on the PHP version of their Geocoding API client library for a project because it was the only one whose documentation matched how you were actually supposed to authenticate.

[nvarsj]

Fortunately K8s is _not_ a Google owned project. It's managed by the CNCF which spans many different companies. Yes, there are a lot of Google people involved, but it really is a community project. Maybe I'm being naive but that's how I see it at least.

[dmitriid]

> Fortunately K8s is _not_ a Google owned project. Yes, there are a lot of Google people involved, but it really is a community project.

It was created by Google and then "donated" to CNCF.

Conveniently, CNCF doesn't even list its members: https://www.cncf.io/about/members/

According to Wikipedia, though, "Founding members include Google, CoreOS, Mesosphere, Red Hat, Twitter, Huawei, Intel, Cisco, IBM, Docker, Univa, and VMware." [1]

Ah yes. I just love that free community spirit. Top 10-15 contributors are all paid money to work on this by Google, RedHat, Microsoft, VMWare, Goldman Sachs (and I couldn't bother to check others).

That is, 18 billion net income last quarter, 15 billion net income last quarter, 141 million net income last quarter, 6 billion last quarter...

These ginormous corps solve their own problems under the guise of open source, and gullible developers fall for the community promise.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_Native_Computing_Foundat...