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by hellbannedguy 1813 days ago
As a former Contractor, and union electrician, who has worked on condos, pretty much just like this building in San Francisco for years; I can honestly say this is Very unusual.

Personally, I have a feeling it might have been rusted rebar in the basement that caused the accident?

Rebar can completely rust through, even encased in concrete if continually exposed to water. This happens only a very small percentage of the time though. It takes more years than this building was up though?

I know of ferro cement boats that have hollow spaces where the rebar used to be because the owner didn't know about electrolytic, and galvanic action.

(I would love to hear from an engineer, or a trades person on this. Have you ever seen rusted rebar in such a young building?)

I would not have ever thought rebar could rust that quick over pool water, or rain water though in those columns. I originally though the standing water in the basement was salt water, which might make the rusting process easier.

I am no expert. I'm not an engineer. I just know rebar can rust through in concrete. It is very rare though. I have seen one column where rust got to the rebar, and the rust went through the concrete. It was like a rust highway, and the rebar was the road. Rusted right into all the rebar encased in the concrete.

I do want to stress I have never seen a collapse like this, even when building codes were not as strict as they are now. Building codes have been very strict for probally 70 years.

I hope they don't revise building codes again unless they find the exact reason this building failed. The building codes in high rises/apartments/homes you guys live in are in many cases overkill.

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It's not that rare, I see it several times a year.

It is presumed that all foundation bolts are shot after about 50 years on any foundation in terms of their seismic performance. If you pull out an old foundation from say the 1950s, the bolts are almost invariably either totally corroded through or just a thread in the middle.

For a building basically sitting in saltwater, I would expect there to be widespread reinforcing steel failure at that age without proof to the contrary. Which is certainly one of the big reasons why they require recertification, although obviously the 40 year recertification schedule has proven to be woefully inadequate.

This will probably not wind up being more interesting than a failure to have rigorous enough inspection schedules and people dragging their feet to do what obviously had to happen. Those items appear far more important that the somewhat reduced amount of reinforcing steel compared to drawings at this point. It seems like relatively pedestrian negligence.