[jeremyjh]

I think the initial marketing/examples for Phoenix Liveview and the like really did a disservice here; when you ask the team always says that the live part should really just be replacing what would have been xhr requests in an SPA - where you need server-side data or functionality. For local interactivity they recommend Alpine but too many people have already seen the counters example and drawn their own conclusions (and even built entire applications this way).