[handrous]

As someone who's done a ton of JS/TS development, for browsers and Node, I thought the principle the entire ecosystem was based on was up-to-the-minute crowdsourcing of not only a standard lib, but also 90% of your basic tools and about half of what ought to be language features. Not relying on automated systems to cancel out the mistakes of automated systems.

[papito]

As someone who spent two weeks trying to get a Typescript project working under Webpack when migrating to Vue 3, by stitching together a web of gratuitous tooling and transpilers that ultimately did not work (I went with Vite and it was all working in 2 hours)...

Also, I just checked out an old Flask/Python project from 7 years ago, updated it to use Poetry dependency management, and it all still works. A JS project that is 7 months old and unmaintained would be a dumpster fire.

[handrous]

Oh, for the "build" tools, yeah, that's actually entirely true. It's a bunch of automation fixing bad decisions and other, bad automation. Spot on.