[cirrus3]

Mandelmus that is a lot of meaningless words to avoid the recognition that there are systematic objectives in play to repress others. "collective design" is stupid fancy term and you will look dumb saying that in person to anyone in real life.

[Mandelmus]

I'm not trying to avoid that recognition at all! But somebody put those systemic objectives and incentive structures into place. The fact that societies like the ones described in the podcast have such different incentive structures is proof that it's possible for humans to collectively design a different system, rather than assuming it's all just fallen from the heavens, i.e. the inevitable outcome of immutable "human nature".