[wilgertvelinga]

- Very few trips are long enough to deplete an EVs battery

- EVs have significantly lower Total Costs of Ownership

- To refuel your petrol car, you have to make an extra trip to the petrol station. While your EV is simply charged where it is parked overnight

- The extraction, refinement and transportation of petrol pollutes way more than that EV battery will

[fileeditview]

> - Very few trips are long enough to deplete an EVs battery

Ever drive to vacation by car? Or visit relatives a few hours away? Not all of our trips are inner-city or in a similarly small radius. So if you don't want 2 cars, electric is not an option.

> - EVs have significantly lower Total Costs of Ownership

Doesn't help with them being way more expensive in acquisition. There is also no used car market for them AFAIK. This will all change in the future but currently they are no option for many people just because of the price.

> - To refuel your petrol car, you have to make an extra trip to the petrol station. While your EV is simply charged where it is parked overnight

At least in theory.. in practice you maybe use a big garage shared with others and it does not have any sockets.

> - The extraction, refinement and transportation of petrol pollutes way more than that EV battery will

Nice claim but I doubt that. It's always hard to do these comparisons fairly but battery manufacturing and disposal is very dirty business.

[wilgertvelinga]

-- you could rent a petrol car for your vacation trip once a year, or make a charging and sleeping stop, or use fast chargers along the route (also not yet available everywhere)

-- you could private lease an electric car

-- I agree that it is not an option for everybody, everywhere. But with a little effort it will be for a lot of people in a lot of places

-- See this video for a comparison: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1oVrIHcdxjA&t=2s

p.s. nice nickname

[falcolas]

Renting is absurdly expensive for any vacation distances. Around a hundred dollars a day, plus mileage (enterprise is, for example, 100 miles per day, and 10¢ for each mile after).

Might as well buy a used car for those prices.

[nickik]

> Ever drive to vacation by car?

Go look up people who road trip with EV, the experience is rather good. Your blanket assertion that this is simply impossible is just not the case in many regions.

Certainty in most people where people actually want to go.

Sure if you drive into bumbfuck nowhere in West Texas you might have an issue, but that is the waste minority of people.

Europe is better then the US. In the US if you are doing serious trips Tesla is clearly the best but others are growing fast as well.

> Or visit relatives a few hours away?

Tons of people do that with EV. A modern EV has multiple 100 miles of range. And stopping once at fast charger is really not that big of a deal. How often do you seriously do 300+ mile trips in a day?

Maybe you have a steel bladder and never pie or stop to stretch your legs or eat something. Stopping for 10min is really a deal breaker.

If you ask me I much rather be in a car that is much more quite for hours that drives with much more pop.

> Doesn't help with them being way more expensive in acquisition.

Most people use a loan anyway

> There is also no used car market for them AFAIK. This will all change in the future but currently they are no option for many people just because of the price.

Depending on your use-case there are some absurdly cheap EV. Bolt for example Those don't have some of the fast charge features and range mentioned above, but for people that don't need that it absolutely make sense to get a EV.

> Nice claim but I doubt that. It's always hard to do these comparisons fairly but battery manufacturing and disposal is very dirty business.

No it isn't a dirty business. This is just flat out false.

Battery manufacturing is really not that dirty. Telsa is building batteries in the middle of a city in California. You have some waste water that needs to be treated (and newer process manage to cut that out already). Currently to much intermediate products are transported but this is true for oil as well.

Can you explain what you specifically are referring to that is so horrible?

Li-Ion batteries get used and re-used and even after 10 plus years they still fetch a good price as people use them for custom builds and other hobby projects. Even if they totally break people will rip them open and reuse some of the cells.

Even after that pretty much every economic forecast shows that recycling for batteries will make a huge amount sense as it basically represents really high quality ore. So if you buy a car now, when in 15-20 years your battery is totally broken it will absolutely be recycled.

Data actually shows that very, very few Li-Ion batteries are getting disposed at all.

[5555624]

> - To refuel your petrol car, you have to make an extra trip to the petrol station. While your EV is simply charged where it is parked overnight

I have yet to see an apartment building with more than a couple of charging stations, if they have any.

On the street where I currently live, half the houses don't have driveways. Assuming you can park in the same spot on the street every night, are you going to run an extension cord from the house to the street?

(It's not an "extra trip," it's a stop when I am going somewhere.)