[AdieuToLogic]

> Notably, Smalltalk has a negligible share of the market, so why should anyone waste time debating Kay/Smalltalk’s notions of OOP when they are at best niche?

Objective-C[0] is C with Smalltalk's "notions of OOP." Objective-C has been the dominant programming language for making macOS and iOS programs since OS-X was first released. Swift[1] is taking over the role Objective-C once held alone, but Swift's roots in Smalltalk's "notions of OOP" are easily discerned.

0 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swift_(programming_language)

[Zababa]

I think one problem here is that you can't really compare Objective-C to let's say Java as they are used for different purpose. Swift and Objective-C have negligable market share outisde of the Apple ecosystem, and Java or C# have a negligable market share inside. So it's not a Alan Kay OOP/not Alan Kay OOP split, but a rest of the world/Apple split.