[adriand]

It doesn’t seem hateful whatsoever, and everyone knows it, including you. So I don’t think you’ve made your point very effectively here.

I think the well-known distinction between “freedom to” and “freedom from” is relevant here. In the wake of Nazism, Germany also banned hate speech. You could argue that Germany made it less free to be a Nazi. You could also argue that Germany made it easier to be free from Nazism. You may disagree with the choice they made but I don’t think many would reasonably argue that Germany is not a free society.

> tenant of modern civility

Minor quibble: it’s tenet, not tenant.

[alentist]

> everyone knows it

"Everyone knows" what? This?

> no discourse is so dogmatic and blind and unable to question its own values as the American one

I can't imagine how sheltered from and ignorant of the rest of the world one must be to make such a ludicrous claim.

[seattle_spring]

Thank you for this. I'm so tired of the rhetoric lately decrying "intolerance of intolerance." Sorry folks, but me nor the state should respect someone who hates others for who they are. "I hate Jews" is not the same as "I hate those who hate Jews", and it should not be tolerated as such.

[alentist]

Which category does this fall into?

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/000306512110085...

[seattle_spring]

On first inspection, it seems like an attempt for you to paint "your opposition" by the beliefs of its extremists. A loaded question at best.

[alentist]

So which category does it fall into? Don't dodge the question.

> it seems like an attempt for you to paint "your opposition" by the beliefs of its extremists

That's exactly what you did in your original comment. Talk about lack of self-awareness.