[238475235243]

It is but compliance is generally lower in a world of Coke and donuts. People just want pills.

On the plus side, we're slowly making the public aware that the DNA theory of cancer isn't actually right and that carbohydrate metabolism is much more powerful.

[PragmaticPulp]

> It is but compliance is generally lower in a world of Coke and donuts.

It's not just Coke and donuts. Even bacon and eggs don't reach the threshold of ketosis used in these studies. The pop-culture definition of a ketogenic diet is really more like Atkins or low-card than the ketogenic diets used in these studies.

Ketosis at this level requires not only restricting carbohydrates, but restricting protein intake as well. This usually means drinking heavy whipping cream and oils.

[porknubbins]

I did not find it as hard as that. I did it once by going under the carb limit (think it was 20g) for a couple of days eating things like bacon, eggs, avocado, steaks, oil dressing salads etc and was using strips to check for some keytones. Admittedly wasn’t trying to go long term as I don’t know how healthy my diet was but I definitely noticed some of the saiety and weight loss benefits claimed so I don’t think these so called “pop keto” people are necessarily deluded if they get reults.

[toomuchtodo]

Heavy whipping cream or butter in coffee isn’t bad on a keto diet.

[PragmaticPulp]

Ketogenic diets used in epilepsy go far beyond a bit of heavy whipping cream in your morning coffee.

A classic ketogenic diet would require significant quantities of heavy whipping cream (or MCT oil or other oils) with every meal, including snacks. Wikipedia has a good example: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketogenic_diet#Classic

Doing a true ketogenic diet is hard work. Most of what people call ketogenic diets are actually more like Atkins or low-carb. Going into full ketosis requires significant protein restriction and augmenting with significant fat sources.

[amanaplanacanal]

What do you consider “full ketosis?” Is that defined somewhere?

[toomuchtodo]

There are test strips available to indicate your ketone levels. You're in ketosis once your blood ketone levels are at or above 0.5 mmol/L.

[sooheon]

> DNA theory of cancer isn't actually right and that carbohydrate metabolism is much more powerful

This is an unnecessary dichotomy. The Warburg effect has been theorized for almost a hundred years. It's not that only one of "DNA theory" vs. "cellular metabolism theory" can be right, the prevailing theory is that they are highly intertwined.

[Shorel]

There are so many different cancer types, that stopping one kind doesn't affect the outcome of other kinds of cancer.

So, yes, some cancer types are fed on carbohydrates, and if that's what people eat, they will get those cancers.

If people have a better diet, a better kind of cancer will kill them. =)

It is very infrequent to actually die of "old age" at over 100.

And the common thing of all cancers is still they are DNA mutations.

Having said that, yes, people should avoid a carbohydrate heavy diet, not only because it helps against common cancers, but because metabolic disease is just getting sick without any unavoidable reason.

[Herodotus38]

What’s the DNA theory of cancer that isn’t actually right?

[238475235243]

If you're a layperson try "Tripping over the Truth" by Travis Christofferson. If you have some biology try "Cancer as a Metabolic Disease" by Seyfried.

[Herodotus38]

How would that theory explain the association of radiation exposure with cancer, or sun exposure are cancer? Do those things alter your metabolism?

[238475235243]

Damage to DNA and mitochondria is happening all the time, the question is what happens in the presence of high carbohydrate loads. If you read the books they'd tell you this.

[Herodotus38]

How about cell cultures that are induced with viral vectors to become cancerous by the introduction of an oncogene? Do you think there is a difference in metabolism in the cells that become tumorigenic after transfection? If so why does it happen with introduction of an oncogene but not in the control vector when they have identical cell culture media/nutrients?

[238475235243]

My bet is because more than one thing happens (some insult to the mitochondria in parallel, say) and/or because the gene is actually expressing something metabolic we don't understand. Seyfried (I think) actually points out the parallel metabolic influence of some therapies that we think are working genetically.