[joecool1029]

While the development teams at Telegram should be applauded I can't stress enough that it helps that they don't have E2EE and centralized most of the complexity to their server.

Related regarding feature deployment: I got some negative feedback for dumping on Matrix for announcing Spaces without iOS client support. They should have waited until Element had all their major platforms covered before announcing it. It's maybe an unpopular take but when around 40% of my homeserver's users can't use a major feature, that's a shitty rollout.

[Arathorn]

It wasn’t a roll-out - it was the announcement of the first public beta. Spaces has lots left to do: not just iOS but private spaces etc too.

[joecool1029]

Please just give me folders like Telegram did, so I can organize my own chats. I get the point of Spaces and was excited to use it for my homeserver since it helps onboarding new users, but to announce it without support in one of the 3 popular reference clients is just silly.

[0xy]

Telegram does have E2EE in secret chats. WhatsApp does NOT have E2EE because it backs up your private keys to cloud storage by default. Even if you don't, your contacts might. Therefore WhatsApp is less secure.

[decrypt]

This is incorrect. WhatsApp is E2EE as well. It does not backup the keys to their cloud. Rather, you seem to be referring to the fact that they offer cloud backup on Google Drive, in which case the chats are stored in plain text.

[Popegaf]

You're being unnecessarily pedantic and not actually even refuting anything they said.

Using Whatsapp is like sending a locked chest to your friend and a copy thereof + a copy of the key to unlock it to a warehouse. Government employees and warehouse workers can enter the warehouse at will, use the key to open your chest, and copy everything too.

Nice lock.