[vagrantJin]

> Yes - because where does it end? China, which has surveillance on anything and everything?

The anti-Chinese rhetoric on HN is starting to grate.

You don't live in the DPRC. How do you know what China does with surveillance if any?

[alasdair_]

> You don't live in the DPRC. How do you know what China does with surveillance if any?

The same way we know what happened with the SS or the Stazi - lots of detailed evidence, first hand accounts, reports from other intelligence agencies etc.

[vagrantJin]

The thing is, the people you mention have a bone to pick. Its like taking edward snowdens view of America over say...cardi b