[throwaway803453]

I think it boils down to bad faith, dishonest, or hypocritical conversations. Why explore that further especially if you previously set boundaries, explained the dishonesty or hypocrisy, and they still bring it up ?

[Edited: TMI]

[lanstin]

And having these assholes around one leads to measurable declines in health over the decades. I don’t have an answer. When I was young I thought we could argue them into decency, then for a while I thought the new people are better than the dying people, Now I try to speak out to protect people from th anssholes, without arguing, just actions. Also tho relatives are especially hard to avoid. My wife and I are both many thousands of miles away from our family. It helps.