[orwin]

I'm sorry, i'm not that good at english and this is quite confusing. Can you re-word it?

Are you saying that there is fact multiple kind of feminism, or multiple ways to defend feminism, and one of them block -or rather challenge - the other? If this is the case, i agree.

I'll go with my experience. My father demanded shared right every year for seven years. He had to go to a tribunal where my mother lived, probably de most conservative county in France (only royalist one at least). For seven year, he was told "no", and was even told to stop taking the judge's time. The eighth year, the law changed and the case was instructed at his place of living, a very liberal county (liberal as the americans understand the term). He got the shared rights.

Now, its only one case, outside the US so probably the culture is different. But i think there is a reason why the mens liberation movement exist, and i do think it is necessary to have different point of view on feminism, inside the feminist movement. Internal iscourse is necessary for a movement to grow with the rest of society.

[zozbot234]

Interesting case. Would he then get shared rights in the U.S., given a similar background to the case? Keep in mind that shared visitation rights are not only exceedingly rare, but opposed by many U.S. feminist movements. Trying to work on this stuff "inside the feminist movement" is something many people will see as a non-starter.