[_Microft]

If someone is showing someone else's proof of vaccination while they are not vaccinated, they actually might be a threat.

The QR code by itself is not proof of anything until you have verified that it actually belongs to the person showing it. That's where the ID comes in.

[neither_color]

Just out of curiosity, what is the minimum net improvement in public safety you think justifies asking every person to show their identity information every time they walk into a shop or restaurant? After all the progress made so far with traditional disease mitigation, what would happen if you simply don't choose to force everyone to show their IDs everywhere they go? If you're saying vaccines and lockdowns weren't enough, what is the target you're chasing exactly? Is it really worth it?

[_Microft]

I am not sure what you want to get at but if someone wants to be treated like being vaccinated, they should have to proof that they actually are. Anything else incentivizes behaviour that undermines the efforts to get a grip on the pandemic (i.e. it would let the unvaccinated flaunt the rules by just claiming that they no longer pose a threat to others and the pandemic would happily rage on).

We do not implement these measures here (Germany) at the moment. Anyone can visit stores or e.g. retirement homes without having to show a negative test result or proof of vaccination. Before easing the measures, people with proof of vaccination were treated like having a negative result in general, i.e. they could do all the things that others also could but without the hassle of having to be tested.

[ajsnigrutin]

This is what I don't understand either... vaccines work, health systems in most eu countries are pretty empty of covid patients now, anyone who wants a vaccine can get one... but we're still requiring people from countries with 99positive/100k to show vaccination proof to enter a country with 98positive/100k.

We have the vacciness, anyone can get one for free, just open up, and let the antivaxxers risk it if they want.

[dolmen]

It's not that simple.

Even with a vaccine you can get COVID. Any body hosting a COVID virus is an environment where mutations happen.

We don't just want people to stop dying from COVID. We also want to stop new more dangerous strains of the virus to emerge or propagate.

[dolmen]

I think that the point is to raise social pressure to get people to get vaccinated.

If you are vaccinated, you just show your pass and go into the bar. If you aren't you have to produce a test. A recent test. So frequent renew. Or you might just not be allowed to get in.

So just get the vaccine and life will be easier.

If you don't want the vaccine, just stay at home.