[lorlou]

We all are aware of that. It has been widely publicised for decades by those who expected that, by making people aware, they would change their spending habits.

They didn't. Nobody cares. And that has to be the end of that argument.

[tobyhinloopen]

Nobody cares? It’s not like “we” are presented with a clear choice.

It’s totally unclear whether some product is produced ethically or not. Some ultra cheap products are likely to be unethically produced but a bit more expensive and there’s no way to know except for doing extensive research.

Nobody has time for that shit. Many don’t have the money to buy ethically because they themselves are working on the low end.

Sure you might buy the slavery free coffee bones and the fair phone 2. Good for you, but what about all the other stuff everyone buys day after day?

[ClumsyPilot]

Exen extensive research doesn't help, the manufacturers will lie and cheat to present their practices as 'proper' and many bulk commodities are untraceable - you wont know where the materials came from

[ornornor]

> They didn't. Nobody cares. And that has to be the end of that argument.

Nice. Glad others didn’t think this way too or we’d have no ozone layer anymore, lead in gasoline and paint, and no building codes.

[donkeyd]

Weren't all these things solved by regulations?

Sure, 'nobody' is an exaggeration, but people still smoke, people still drive unnecessarily wasteful cars, people still fly when there are alternatives. People in general just don't care. Only if political leaders care enough and can fix things without a big impact to their constituent, this stuff gets solved. If the impact on daily life is too big, nobody wants to make these hard decisions. Just look at how little is actually happening to combat climate change or plastic waste in the grand scheme of things.

[ornornor]

> Weren't all these things solved by regulations?

Well, yes. But parent is equating people not putting their money where their mouth is with "nobody cares so we shouldn't try and change anything", which is wrong IMO.

Of course this goes through regulation. Nobody complains about seat belts anymore (and those who do are being Darwined away so that takes care of itself), yet everyone only started wearing a seatbelt once regulations were introduced.

[lorlou]

Those things were fixed because they were very easy to fix and people didn't have to change their habits. How about the rest?