[ra7]

https://arberobotics.com/product/ is one. It was rumored Tesla themselves wanted to use Arbe radars, but evidently they have ditched the plan and gone radar less. I think AutoX from China is planning to use Arbe as well.

Waymo has its own custom developed 4D imaging radar and I imagine most of the other SDC players have their own versions.

[jiofih]

Sounds like “none”.

[ra7]

None what? I just gave you an example of Waymo using 4D imaging radar [1]. Aurora also uses imaging radar [2], Mobileye as well [3]. AutoX is going to start using Arbe radars. All of them are leading players in SDC industry.

[1] https://blog.waymo.com/2020/03/introducing-5th-generation-wa...

[2] https://aurora.tech/technology/driver

[3] https://www.mobileye.com/blog/radar-lidar-next-generation-ac...

[jiofih]

You said “everyone else” besides Tesla uses 4D radar, and “that's why Teslas have poor performance like phantom braking”. But there are zero production vehicles on the road using this tech right now.

[ra7]

I said “The rest of the SDC industry uses 4D radars” in a follow up comment, which clarifies I don’t mean car manufacturers.

Given this post is about radar usage in self driving and how Tesla/Karpathy touts their capabilities, I compare them to other SDC players, not other car manufacturers who are not in the game. And their SDC competitors are running away because they have the newer 4D radars.

[jiofih]

Well, until these are actually adopted by a car company and out on the road, any claims about performance are meaningless. Your original comment implied Tesla chose to use inferior tech compare to the market which is not true in the slightest.

[ra7]

> Your original comment implied Tesla chose to use inferior tech compare to the market which is not true in the slightest.

Only if you don’t consider Waymo, Cruise, Mobileye and others as Tesla competitors.