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by dragonwriter 1830 days ago
> The problem with that is if you can’t fix their environment for 8 hours a day (most schools are more like 6 these days but for argument’s sake), and you propose fixing their environments 24 hours a day …

No one is saying you can’t fix it for 8 hours a day, its saying that fixing the 8 hours a day environment doesn’t address the problem because that’s not the environment that’s brokenness is causing the problems.
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candiodari 1830 days ago
Well, sure, but what you say "needs" fixing has a lot of problems:

    1) it's double or quadruple the time (8/6 vs 24h) vs school
    2) kids aren't arranged per 20 (or 40 these days). You really need someone in a location per 2/3 kids.
So this is a non-starter, fixing the home environment. Plus current attempts to fix it, meaning mostly CPS, generally make things a LOT worse, make these kids far more toxic than they would be left in their problematic home, if that's what you're concerned about. Also, it would further take away opportunities from these kids.

(e.g. https://www.kansascity.com/news/special-reports/article23820... )

Which leads to:

    a) we can't "fix the home situation", beyond providing some education on how kids should be raised
    (seriously, someone in government make a fucking youtube series about it ... talk about useful spending of CPS budget!)
    b) current attempts to do just that anyway make the situation worse for everyone involved (toxicity + crime + lack of opportunities), and don't improve things for those kids.
    c) I don't see b changing.
    d) we *still* do want to "fix" those kids
Ergo it will need to happen at school. Home situation problematic or not. Addressing the core problem or not. It will need to happen in school (taken widely. E.g. sports ... can be included). Maybe this is a very hard problem, but it's not nearly as hard as the other side of the coin.

And not helping those kids do better is not acceptable. Even aside from the obvious observation that homelessness, drugs and crime don't just impact the people directly involved.

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dntrkv 1830 days ago
I don't think this issue is solvable by the school. This is 100% an issue with the home. It's like having police attempt to solve the mental health crisis.
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candiodari 1830 days ago
Well my point is that doesn't matter. We can't fix that. And what is impossible won't happen, therefore you must fix things somewhere, anywhere, else. That'll be school.
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