[rsynnott]

> The part I find particularly interesting about this trend is that both camps can't seem to fathom that the other could possibly exist

This bit is weird. I’m in the “I’ll never voluntarily take a remote job” camp, but… I get that some people like remote work, and that’s fine.

Some people seem to be positively evangelical about it, though.

[hpoe]

I am evangelical about it simply because my camp of remote first is not the default and as a result I have to make sure I am always pushing against in office, if I don't evangelize it hard I risk it not coming to pass.

I also feel that many of the people that argue that they need the socialization that comes from being in the offive just really need to spend time outside of work finding a way to socialize and they could meet that need.

As someone else pointed out tieing your friend circle to your employer seems like a bad move when the time comes to change employers.

[rsynnott]

> I also feel that many of the people that argue that they need the socialization that comes from being in the offive just really need to spend time outside of work finding a way to socialize and they could meet that need.

On this bit, some people find spending the day alone difficult, even if they have social outlets outside work. This shouldn't be surprising; historically the vast majority of people see other people during the working day. Being completely alone for minimum eight hours a day (and in practice more; the evidence is that people tend to work longer hours when WFH) is not a particularly normal human behavior and many people don't deal well with it.

Again, it works for some people, and that's fine. What irritates me is people (rather dishonestly IMO; they don't really believe this generally) pushing the line that it works for everyone.

[nucleardog]

This. I’ve been arguing for years that I can do my job effectively remotely and now that it’s proven and I’ve seen a drastic improvement in my mental and physical health I really feel like I need to fight against giving even an inch against the default to have a hope of landing somewhere in the middle.

While I respect and understand (even if I disagree with) people that say they need an office, they’re just really not my concern right now. There will no doubt be office-only jobs for the foreseeable future if for no other reason than inertia. Without the fight, remote-first jobs won’t be there for those that want them.

[rsynnott]

"Have you heard the good news about our lord and saviour 'never leaving the house'"?

See, this is exactly what I mean.